This is from Andrew
Potter who completed the C2C over 5th to 7th September
2001....
The Nenthead to Allenheads stretch remains
open (5/9/01). Two disinfectant points exist but the guy seemed happy
to see us and there were no problems. There was severe frustration
from the staff at the Allenheads Inn with conflicting "its open
/ its closed" messages - their view was a definite no problem
for the foreseeable future.
The off road section avoiding Renwick is now open (or at least not
signed as closed), but there was a particularly confusing small diversion
around Laithes that sends you to High Dyke but its then ok to go
into Newton Reigny.
The rest of the route is fine except for the appalling condition and dilapidated
/ vandalised signage to the north of Newcastle. The path is strewn with glass
for about three miles (not helped by positioning a bottle bank adjacent to
the route at one point!) A real pity but a truly fantastic experience.
DON'T BE PUT OFF BY F&M! Be sensible over the diversions and
be assured of a great welcome wherever you go...the locals are thrilled to
see you.
The C2C Guide adds that
as far as I am aware the off-road section (bridleway) over the open
moorland to just below Hartside cafe is still closed, the section
avoiding Renwick and the last section avoiding the hairpin just before
the cafe are both unclassified country roads (or similar) and therefore
not able to be closed by the local council.
Dan McDowell completed the C2C
on the 13th and 14th September and has this to say....
I have just completed the route
in two days- 13th-14th September. I came across two diversions.
Diversion 1 - After
Greystoke the Laithes to Penrith section was initially confusing
as it went off the Keswick-Penrith map. I later discovered
the diversion is all within the Penrith - Carlisle link route (panel
no.6) Follow the Yellow arrows on the ground though there may be
no signs for a mile or two.
Diversion 2 - After
Nenthead the route to Stanhope via A689 is not signed on the ground.
I was travelling on a Thursday and found traffic built up after Westgate,
mainly Quarry trucks - they gave me lots of space, but if you are
not used to large wagons this may be disconcerting.
Also beware of the steep descent to Killhope Wheel Museum on the A689. There
are roadwork's from the summit for approx. 200 Metres. I took the direct route
as time was pressing.
Bob Hay and Paul Jillard completed
the route over 4 days 13th to 16th September 2001....
...Very enjoyable and reasonably leisurely
ride over such a time, particularly as weather was kind, with a following
wind.
A
few points:-
Followed road routes where a choice was available -did not see evidence that
Old Coach Road was closed, but stuck to Keswick Railway path.
Did not feel that diversion at Scales across A66 and down minor roads was a
problem or badly signposted. Perhaps signs upgraded since previous comments.
Diversion along lanes around Laithes seemed unnecessary. Talking to a local
part way round diversion convinced us to cut short this diversion and return
to normal route.
No problems taking original route between Nenthead and Rookhope. Passed a
couple of manned disinfectant points on this section without problems. Incline
from Rookhope still closed but took route to Stanhope - very little traffic
(but early Sunday morning!).
One or two bits of poor signposting:-
Junction on Railway track at Rowrah near old quarries not
clear. Took left fork which was OK, but sign would help
Junction near High Lorton confusing. Again take left fork but
sign would help.
Same problems as previously mentioned between Chester-le-Street and Sunderland
re vandalised/removed signs.
One final issue. We cannot recommend the Hayloft Bunkhouse at Langwathby
Jim Mortimer rode the route on
the 14th to 16th of September 2001 and has this to say...
I was in a party of 6 who did
the C2C last weekend 14th-16th Sept from Whitehaven to
Tynemouth, and can only echo Bob & Paul's comments.
We had a great trip, good weather and lots of laughs.
Aside from having to cross several mats, and through a couple of spray points,
FMD had no impact on our trip.
We stuck to the main route out of Keswick, and avoided Mungrisdale by using
the minor road road between Scales and Askew Rigg Farm. The diversion at Laithes
seems overcomplicated - we just stayed on the road through Newton Reigny and
followed it into Penrith.
At Rookhope the off-road route was closed, but we used the marked road route
over to Stanhope and then braved the killer hill out of Stanhope and up to
the quarries - tiring, but no FMD problems.
Our biggest problems with signage were on the final stretch between the end
of the riverside prom in Newcastle city centre and North Shields around Wet
'n' Wild, where we got completely lost in the badlands. Perhaps some permanent
road markings, or a more detailed street map on an internet page would help
?
Peter Jones and 4 friends completed
the ride on 13th and 17th September 2001 and offer this....
Day 1 - F&M
was no great problem starting as we did from Workington, the route
out of Workington is under sold, it was great although Wythop Woods
was still shut. Stayed at Cranford House in Keswick, a fine
stop.
Day 2 - left
Keswick and used the route that is supposed to have steep steps according
to the guide. It doesn't, it is a brilliant ride along the
river side with a wooden board walk. Stayed at the Hayloft bunkhouse
in Langwathby but, like, Bob and Paul cannot recommend it.
Day 3 - was the
big one up the pass. Hartside Cafe was open thank goodness
and we took our 2nd break in Nenthead at the pub. Very busy
with bikers and so why the boss did not do snacks (sandwiches) or
soup and a role until after 2pm is anyone's guess. Got to Allenheads
by 4pm to find the cafe there shutting. The pub has never served
so much tea and coffee on a Saturday afternoon. Rookhope to 100 miles
shut but no where else was a problem. It was however a beautiful
ride down hill. Stayed at the Queens Head Hotel, Stanhope. Nothing
much to look at from outside but a great stop with excellent basic
food at a very reasonable price.
Day 4 - Easy
day to Chester le Street via Beamish Museum. Stayed at the
Lampton Worm Hotel ( not to be confused with the Lampton Hotel as
I did. ) A good stay, no en-suite but the £18 per night made
up for this. The other pity was that they kicked us up to bed
after closing at 10.30pm, a shame as we were ready for a late night
talking to the Great North Runners who were staying the night after
their run.
Day 5 - was to
be a doddle down to Sunderland. Two miles to go - where did the track
go? The work on the new tramway has destroyed the track and left
muddy, stony, poorly marked bits and pieces. We ended up lost in
Sunderland asking which way the coast was. A sad end that I am happy
to say did not ruin the trip in any way.
ALL IN ALL, thanks for your web site; we met others on the route
who used it so keep it going. Thanks to the people we met for smiling
through the problems
they have. Thanks for the weather that was as good as I could have dreamt. My
legs ache but I slept well Monday night in my own bed.
GRIPES Why
don't the Information Centers on the route e.g. PENRITH, have safe
places to leave the cycles so that you can visit the shops? The
lady suggested we use the Railway Station because they have cycle
boxes. Yes, 4, all long term bookings.
Ta for reading this, next year THE REIVERS.
This is a note from Doug
Ridgway who has helped me out with FMD/Route info in the
past - many thanks Doug...
It
seems people are still using the old C2C maps (97/98)
which show the route to
be on the south bank of the River Wear from Cox Green. Due
to Metro Railway construction this is now CLOSED with a
very convoluted diversion only partly signed via
back streets. Check Dik's website for new route updates.
The correct route now remains on the NORTH bank all the
way until the finish. At Cox Green mile 127.5 DO NOT CROSS
FOOTBRIDGE, follow signs to left & uphill,
which takes you past the Washington Wetlands Center, the route is well signed & goes
under the A19, then a short way left & uphill on minor road before turn
right onto track staying off road all the way to the finish.
There is a choice of route past the Stadium of Light High ( which is signed
) or Low (unsigned at present) via the new riverside promenade. After two under-passes
under roundabout at Queen Alexander Bridge, take next turning right onto new
red tarmac path,( just past hoardings.) 50 yards at bottom of slope turn
left on quiet road 100 yards to rejoin new red path down to riverside. Keep
river on your right & follow promenade past large lime kilns( L) & pass
below Stadium of Light ( look out for large "steel men" pushing balls
uphill!!! & various other sculptures at kilns & set into the path),
continue on new path along riverbank & under Rail & Road bridges to
pass National Glass center (L) & onto the finish.
NB Sunderland Council have a good local cycle map that shows the route in greater
detail than Sustrans map.
Dave
Bates & Richard
Carrington completed the route from Sunderland to Whitehaven
over 3 days (21st /23rd Sept. 2001). Bear in mind their
info is generally for East to West.
mile 110 (Consett)
- Using the through line (missing town centre) when crossing
the road with a Daihatsu garage, turn left (right if
coming from Pennines) and there is a Tesco's with in
store cafe. Plenty of cycle lock up points by the disabled
parking bays.
mile 115.25 Anfield Plain -
Don't take the cinder track, go along the road with houses on which
is the other side of the fence. We went down the cinder track and
and somehow ended up picking up the C2C the other side of the industrial
estate and coming the wrong direction down the C2C until we arrived
at an all too familiar point!
FMD in the Pennines -
We used the open public roads from Stanhope to Rookhope to Allenheads
and then . Allenheads to Black Hill and public road into Nenthead.
No problems at manned disinfectant points , the lads working on them
seemed pleased to see people! We took the public road out of Nenthead
over Dowgang Hush since we were uncertain about the off-road alternative
but found it signed up okay at the Garrigill turn off.
The C2C Guide adds '
the off road alternative over Priorsdale and the old mines into Nenthead
from Garrigill was still shut as of 26/9/01'
Hartside -
The track below the cafe is open as is the walled track to Five Road
Ends but NOT the bridle path in between the two.
FMD in the Eden Valley -
Forget the track through Newton Reigny college via mile 52 (under
the railway and motorway bridges) as it is closed but not signed
as such from the Penrith end so had to retrace our steps via Penrith
and took the B5288 to Greystoke.
The C2C Guide adds '
oops, that's my fault! I kinda knew it wasn't signed from the Penrith
end but forget to add it to the FMD page. Sorry!
FMD in the Lakes -
The Keswick Railway Path was open.
Whinlatter Pass - The signposts on the top of off-road section are
poor. After the very short downhill on the B5292 take the C2C
sign into forest car park entrance and take the first track to the
right (cycle trail sign but no
C2C sign) then the next track to the right (not signed in this direction -
there is a sign coming the other way but it is easily missed)
Jim Swannack who rode
the C2C from Workington to Tynemouth on the 19th,20th,21st
September 2001 has this to say...
Workington -
The B&B at Morvern House (it's the one next to the
dog agility course - I kid you not!) is OK. Looks very
scruffy from the outside but is OK inside.
Mile 14 - Wythop
Mill There are no signs giving any info on whether Wythop Woods are
open or closed or any indication of a diversion until you have climbed
the two miles up to the end of the road section (frustration)
Keswick Try
the Cornish Pasty shop on the Borrowdale road at the top of the market
place (take the right hand road from outside the Moot Hall and Woolies
for 50 yards and it is on your left). Apple and Blackberry pasties
go down just about right.
Mile 36.5 - Scales
The signs on the route still take you on the old route to the south
of the A66 for about a mile and a half rather than the dog-leg to
Mungrisdale. Talking to someone later that day they seemed to think
the route through the farm at mile 37.5 was closed anyway.
The C2C Guide says '
The Mungrisdale loop is not closed (mainly because they cannot close
a public highway for too long BUT the Lake District National Park
don't want C2C'ers using that section if at all possible because
of F&M concerns so have diverted on to the old route' see F&M
page for more info.
Newton Rigg Agricultural College - Could not see any diverted or closed signs
but took the precaution of going via the B roads into Penrith anyway.
There should be a closed sign at the entrance and also halfway into the college
grounds but I know a guy who works there (Hello Howard!) so I will have a word.
Penrith The Norcroft Guesthouse. Can't
recommend it highly enough. Drying facilities were especially welcome.
They know where the good curry house is (5 min's walk) and we concur!
Mile 64.4 - Four
Lane End C2C sign on the off-road route is taped over, assumption
made that this route is closed.
I know people have ridden the walled track to mile 67 and also the rough track
200 metres below the summit to the cafe and have had no problems. Technically
these are not shut (so Cumbria County Council tell me) but the real off road
route to the hairpin bend from miles 67 to 69 is definitely closed.
Nenthead to Parkhead Station We
were staying in Allenheads so didn't use the diversion on the A689.
Staff in the Miners Arms at Nenthead said we were fine to use the
official route. Disinfectant station at Coalcleugh just waved through
and over the mats.
Allenheads -
Try the 'Hemmel' coffee shop. It has just changed hands and the new
owner is very keen to keep up the previous high standards.
Mile 91.3 (Lintzgarth
Arch) Didn't see any signs for the route via Townfield so used the
official route via Stanhope to Parkhead Station. Rookhope Incline
very well signed as closed.
No other problems on the route to Tynemouth.
Chris Goddard rode
the C2C West to East on 28,29,30 September with Sheffield
Racing Club and had this to say....
According to the (recent) signs on the gate The Old Coach Road is most definitely
closed due to FMD. We asked the farmer living at the bottom of the road and
he 'wasn't sure but believed it was still closed'. Rang the local Tourist Info
and they were very non-committal. Even rang the local ranger and never got
a response. Still an absolutely brilliant run in spite of this, especially
eyeballs out down Whinlatter Pass.
The C2C Guide says '
I checked again today (7/10/01) and was again assured that
the OCR is open BUT a local farmer keeps on putting up
closed notices, IGNORE THEM!'
Chris Grimolby completed
the C2C over the 1st and 2nd of October 2001 from Workington
to Tynemouth and offers this advice...
Mile 7 -
Great Broughton - signs are covered but the minor road
to Papcastle is open
The C2C Guide says '
This section is an on-road closure which was closed in early May
but lots of people have mailed me in the last couple of months to
say that they have cycled the 'closed' route with no problems whatsoever
but I can't seem to get any one in officialdom to confirm it's status.
Mile 15 to 16 -
Wythop - a locked gate blocks the way due to F&M. There is no
diversion so you back track to Eskin thru Routenbeck and rejoin at
mile 17 (ish)
Mile 110 to 111 Berry
Edge (Consett) - this was the worst stretch in terms of surface quality.
The signage disappeared when going thru a BMX type track area. I
followed my nose and picked up the route within 1/4 of a mile.
These were the only problems I had in 136 miles.
Highly recommend the Norcroft Guesthouse in Penrith
Jeremy Barnett rode
the C2C on 29th and 30th of September 2001 and offers
this...
Starting off from Workington at 7.15 on Saturday
was not an enjoyable experience with the weather. At first we found
it a little confusing finding the start. The street names on the
map seem to be the wrong way around. Anyway a council worker knew
where we wanted to go, possibly due to the lycra and look of fear
on my face!
I can heartily recommend a full length poncho to anyone considering starting
the c2c from the lakes in all but 2 months of the year.
Got a little lost in Cockermouth in the main street, but used my sense of direction.
The C2C Guide says: 'you
can always visit the urban areas page
for tips and directions for town centres, still not complete yet
but working on it!
As pervious users the diversion in Wythop Mill is not very well marked, I ended
up on the main dual carriageway for a while, good views but make sure you keep
in.
Problems outside Penrith due to being stung on the lip by what I think was
a Horsefly! Several miles later I was still sporting a lip that Stings' friends
in the rainforests would be proud of.
No real problems with the route through Hartside and down to Nenthead. The
route to Allenheads seemed open so took it. I did however go home on the Saturday
night (for some home comforts) via the A689, which would be a good ride down
to Stanhope.
The sign posts at the Sunderland-Tynemouth turn needs to be clearer. The C2C
signs were not there and a marker pointed straight on to Rowlands Gill, if
you want this then turn left to Berry Edge.
The C2C Guide says ' Doug on the Tyne (my N.E. correspondent - Hi Doug) checked
out Lydgetts Junction (on 6/10/2001) and notes that the blue C2C signs are
missing but the Millenium Mile post is OK , although twisted slightly out of
correct alignment & fingers still shows the 4 way junction directions.
To go to Tynemouth you can go either of two ways.
1/. Turn Left left onto route 14, before Smelt Wagon (MMP finger to Berry
Edge), a little rough in places.
or
2/. Straight ahead past Smelt Wagon (L) on route 7 , ( MMP finger
to Rowlands Gill ) - ( same direction as Sunderland finish) until you reach
the 2 Teris Novalis sculptures where turn left via Consett town center & stamping
point
The blue C2C -'14' signs all appear in place on the two roundabouts & lead
you through to rejoin the Derwent Walk at mile 110.5 as shown on C2C map panel
4 Consett insert.
The route getting nearer to the coast at North Shields could do with better
marking, just try and keep looking for the markers. What are all those steps
about! Not the easiest to negotiate with weary legs and panniers.
Once again 'Doug on the Tyne' says that the steps are avoidable by taking the
ramp ahead which looks like a dead end but is in fact a hairpin bend and leads
down to the road at the ferry landing. This will mean only 2 flights of steps
- 4 up and 10 down'
But completed the route with no hiccups, 12.5hrs in the saddle and just sore
knees and ankles!!!
Michael Walker is
a C2C veteran and offers this accommodation advice...
"Having traversed the Pennines on the
c2c route several times since 1996 I would highly recommend
B&B at the Orchard Cottage, Church Road, Greystoke
(Next to the swimming Pool) where Tony & particularly Wendy
offer quality accommodation and comfort at the end of the gruelling
'Old Coach Road'.
For
those wishing to travel the route on a 'Mix & Match' weekend
circular basis I find Greystoke an ideal location
to cover the Keswick / Hartside area"
